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Letter: Election a sad day for U.S.

Editor:

Today, I cannot help but be sad - sad for myself, sad for my children and sad for my country. Today, we bid farewell to the American Dream. I'm talking about the American Dream that says, "If you work hard, you'll get rewarded and the sky's the limit." I'm talking about the American Dream that can't exist without the principles of sacrifice and responsibility.

Today, the American Dream has been replaced with the American Fantasy, which says "you just do what you feel like doing and the government will do the rest." The American Fantasy replaces sacrifice with entitlement and replaces responsibilities with rights.

This election was a victory for those who are happy to sit on their backside and let government take care of everything. This election was a victory for those who don't have enough self-respect to want more than to have just their basic needs met. This election was a victory for those who believe all Americans should share in the prosperity of our nation, regardless of their choice to contribute to it.

Norman Mattoon Thomas was a six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. He once said, "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

Ken Barton

San Angelo

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Posted by AngeloGirl on November 8, 2008 at 4:56 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Barton! You took the words right out of my mouth!

Posted by Shorebreak on November 8, 2008 at 8 p.m.

Well Mr. Barton, you can sit around and be sad all you want, but most Americans are happy that we will have a President focused on having an administration that will take decisive action to remedy the crisis that befalls our nation. Here are some tips for you from Deborah Rozman, psychologist at the Institute of Heartmath, which researches stress management:

If your candidate lost, try to replace anger and fear with acts of compassion. Volunteer where you can make a difference.

Don't rehash the election mentally. Limit election-oriented TV and computer time.

Write about what you are grateful for.

Stop blaming yourself or others for financial choices. Focus on the present and future.

Excercise regularly.

Those tips may help you Mr. Barton, and others, to get back to normal after "election-obsession syndrome".

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 8, 2008 at 9:21 p.m.

in response to Shorebreak

breaker...

And, as was stated in another thread, God is in control. That's why Obama won instead of McCain. God knows that all the tripe spread around about Obama by the rightists is balderdash.

Posted by donnyg on November 8, 2008 at 11:33 p.m.

Well I hope Mr Barton is sad about the 2008 JOB LOSS COUNT! What is it? Way over a million and counting. These radio talk show type exaggerations, snobbyness, and shallowness is pretty sad too.

Posted by centxlady on November 8, 2008 at 11:43 p.m.

I'm thrilled with the election outcome. And so are most other Americans given the vote. We've tried the Republican way for 8 years. It's time for a change, and we can't wait.

Posted by barkeep on November 9, 2008 at 1:56 a.m.

First and foremost, I was not an Obama voter, but I do not agree that this election was a "Sad Day". For one, the election generally went down without great disagreement to the results. Georgia Senate may yet prove the exception to the rule, they used suspect touch-screen machines I wouldn't trust to keep track of a football pot, but as to the Presidential; no serious question as to the winner.

I worked as precinct election judge Tuesday. By the time we wrapped up the results and delivered them the nets were calling Ohio for Obama, McCain's last hope was gone. I stayed up for local results, but I really knew a week at least afore that McCain was not going to prevail.

The great news is how well the election worked. I'm talking nuts and bolts here. I have been in the election judging "business" since '92, I've outlasted administrative changes, ballot style changes, HAVA changes, legislative changes, and at least one incompetent election administrator.

Tom Green County can put a "feather in the cap" as to how well this election went. Kudos to Vona McKerly, at least locally, no one I've heard has questioned the integrity of the election. We have gone from a national joke to being asked by other jurisdictions "How do you do that?"

Mr. Barton, I am obviously less than happy with the result as to President, but I would have been less than happy had the allegedly Republican candidate won; more than anything, the Obama SCOTUS appointments will live to haunt my grandchildren, but at least in Tom Green County, I am content that the election process was honest.

We have, in Ben Franklin's words "A Republic, if you can keep it". Prescient words from our Founders. Jefferson's hot-headed call for revolutions notwithstanding, a stable society is best served by a gov't restricted to incremental change.

Take heart man; for all the sackcloth and ashes in the punditry,we still have not met the definition of recession to wit; two consecutive quarters of negative GDP. We probably will see one, if we are lucky we will recover before a befuddled and inefficient-by-design gov't "helps" us out of it and into a true depression.

"No crisis is so bad that a gov't cannot make it worse." Words to live by, and stock up canned food in anticipation of.

Posted by sandyman37 on November 9, 2008 at 4:16 a.m.

Why was John McCain the nominee of the Republican party? The party base didn't like him. I lean toward the Democratic party; but in the past three Presidential elections voted independent or Republican. The Democrats seemed intent on alienateing me. At the outset; I'd determined to support McCain or Bill Richardson. As the campaign unfolded; I was repelled by the tactics and tone of the McCain candidacy. Senator Obama seems to me an articulate, intelligent, well-grounded young man. Politicians of one kind or another have disappointed me over the years. Having said that, I feel confident that the man we elected, can earn this country's and the world's respect. I'm cautiously optimistic and regret that some of you seem to be mired in the doldrums. You don't have to support the President-elect; but, why not give the man a chance to prove himself. Had the election gone the other way, you would have expected Obama supporters to accord you that courtesy. In the final analysis, I feel proud as an American of the quality and caliber of the four people who were vying for the top elective slots in our government. No...I choose to be optimistic, not sad.

Posted by barkeep on November 9, 2008 at 6:10 a.m.

in response to sandyman37

As a political op, you are correct, McCain should not have been the Republican candidate. Forget pro-life, which realistically is going nowhere as an Amendment. McCain-Fiengold was a HUGE dis-incentive to the Republican base. Obama didn't break the law, he just chose to break his oath when he went private finance, and BTW we are too busy collecting money to tell you from whence it came.

Folks, I have been campaign treasurer on three ballots locally, I know the statutes. Obama gets by on the small change limit, but the cumulative total of said "small change" is about what McCain had as total public finace.

I also choose to be optimistic. Obama strikes me as a bright young man, his selection of COS was a good start. He will be the least experienced President since, oh, What's His Name, Harry S Truman, but that is not necessarily a negative.

Trivia question: In President Truman's name, what might the "S" stand for?

Posted by housemouse on November 9, 2008 at 6:32 a.m.

barkeep: according to the history books I've read, the "S" in Harry S Truman didn't stand for anything; he added it because he thought his name sounded too short...or maybe just because he dang well felt like it!

I am quite happy with the way this election went. I would have preferred Hillary, but I got over it, and find Obama highly intelligent and careful in his demeanor. McCain would have been just another four years of the same old stuff. He said he wouldn't raise taxes and then wanted to tax employer-provided health insurance. The tax credit he proposed wouldn't have covered the premiums on any decent policy, so it was quite a tax raise. The thing that really sealed the deal for me was his pick of Palin for VP. I'm not a Palin-hater--I actually felt sorry for her, because she was obviously nowhere near ready for the job, but for him, at 72, to pick a possible substitute so unprepared was a deal-breaker for me. If I ever would have considered McCain, I didn't after he announced his selection.

But cheer up, Republicans. Unless you are one of the wealthiest Republicans who make over $250K, you won't see a tax raise. One may eventually be necessary since Bush is leaving us saddled with a nearly $10 TRILLION debt, but not right away. I strongly suspect, however, that nothing Obama does will satisfy some of you anyway.

Posted by donnyg on November 9, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.

These right leaners always predicting the future. Don't see how you can be a "realist" and predict the future at the same time. If the 2009 job loss count topples the 2008 count, then you can rub it in...but please wait and see.

Posted by Shorebreak on November 9, 2008 at 9:29 a.m.

Contrary to the concerns of the Republicans in Texas, many people think Obama is no 'socialist' revolutionary. Nor did the election give him license to pursue that line. Much of Obama's campaign was based on a solid middle ground. His appeal, from his 2004 convention speech to his 2008 campaign, has always been about unity. He fought the election by defending the constitutional rights of gun owners. He supported the death penalty. He ran on promises of tax cuts. His plans for healthcare were less radical than those of either of his main Democratic rivals, Hillary Clinton or John Edwards. He preached to black men about the importance of taking responsibility for family life. His stump speech was often enthused with religious values. Indeed Obama wore his Christian faith more openly on the campaign trail than John McCain did. President Obama is going to proceed aggressively, but not radically.

Posted by vietnamvet on November 9, 2008 at 10:37 a.m.

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Posted by BeReasonable on November 9, 2008 at 10:45 a.m.

It may have been a sad day for you Ken, but 56% of the American population, along with the rest of the world, is happy.

“Today, we bid farewell to the American Dream. I'm talking about the American Dream that says, "If you work hard, you'll get rewarded and the sky's the limit." Really Ken, is not Obama’s election as President of the U.S. an example of the American Dream come true?

“This election was a victory for those who are happy to sit on their backside and let government take care of everything. This election was a victory for those who don't have enough self-respect to want more than to have just their basic needs met.”

Maybe you should put on your Christian hat and realize that there are millions of people, due to various circumstances, temporary and permanent, who need help with the basic needs in order just to survive. Do you really think most of them like the situation they are in? Surely those of us who are more fortunate can afford to help the disadvantaged without taking away our ability to succeed.

It is time to unite as a country and work to make the lives of all of our citizens better, not just those who are more fortunate. We will never be a great nation if we do not take care of our own.

Posted by barkeep on November 9, 2008 at 10:49 a.m.

Housemouse; good catch, Harry's father thought a man sounded more respectable with a middle initial, but didn't bother to pick anything past the "S".

You picked up the health insurance part of McCain's proposal correctly as well. My problem, I've just moved from a job with no insurance to one with company paid Blue Cross. Bet you dollars to donuts Obama's "semi-universal" coverage is going to cost me money.

No tax increase under $250K? That number is in flux, even Bill Richardson (once he was out of VP consideration) dropped that number to $125K, and Bill has a lot more experience than Obama.

I truly wish the new administration well, we won't know until next spring which way Obama will really go. Early hint: If union check-off is Obama's first rattle out of the box, he's paying off campaign debts, and we are in for a slide to "progressive" economics. In that case, I'm glad I have a good stock of canned foods and fuel.

Shorebreak; I withhold judgement on 2nd Amendment until we actually see where the new administration goes, BUT... there might be a hole in the ground containing a few firearms packed in cosmoline.

BTW, I never got on the "Obama the Muslim" train.

Seriously, the Presidential election didn't go my way, the locals did, but I am not wearing sackcloth and ashes. My choice, McCain would not have been the Republican candidate, but that's another column. Word of the day, "incremental".

Posted by roundman on November 9, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.

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Posted by AngeloGirl on November 9, 2008 at 1:17 p.m.

I am so tired of hearing the democrats preach about all of this "unity" that Obama is going to bring! President Bush said the same thing. He wanted to reach across the aisle, just like he did as our governor; but the liberal democrats spat in his face and showed everyone that their hatred for him was much more important than their love for the country! Their viciousness is what has caused this country to be divided! It's like unity to a democrat means it's to be done their way or no way at all. Kind of like a bratty preschooler in a sandbox! I hope your president gets the same respect that mine did, which was absolutely none!

Posted by burr0001 on November 9, 2008 at 1:55 p.m.

The thing about his tax cuts that he promised, I don't think they will happen. If you listened to his speech the other day, he said the same thing he has always said. However, at the end of the speech, he stated that they would continue to look at the tax cuts as needed. If you remember, Bill Clinton said the same thing about raising the taxes only on the top 1%. However, everyone pretty much saw a tax increase under him.

I seriously don't think that all of us making under $200K will ever see a tax break. More than likely what will happen is, Obama will let the current tax breaks expire, then he will drop the tax rate slightly or not at all. He will then tell us that he cannot give the tax breaks he wanted to due to the fact of the current status of the economy.

Also, my question about these huge taxes increases for big industry is, how are the Airlines and Automakers suppose to be able to handle higher taxes? Is Obama only going to target the Oil industry and give tax breaks to the Airlines and Automakers? Finally, for those people expecting to start getting regular checks from the government, I wouldn't hold your breath. Unless the middle class gets hammered with new taxes, there isn't going to be the money to give out like that.

Posted by BeReasonable on November 9, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.

in response to AngeloGirl

Presidents have to earn respect. Bush had his time and earned an approval (respect) rating of approximately 28%.

Give Obama a chance, then judge.

Posted by BeReasonable on November 9, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

in response to megawatt

You are one of the 28 percent and are a good example of why this country has been so divided.

Posted by vietnamvet on November 9, 2008 at 4:33 p.m.

in response to vietnamvet

It was removed because the eligibility of the Obama Presidency may be in jeopardy because he has yet to present his birth certificate. So Berg (Democrat) is before the Supreme Court demanding his birth certificate. Seems there is more proof of citizenship in Kenya. We may have a Constitutional crisis on our hands. I knew it was going to get removed because of the liberal bias of this rag. Now I have to see if this makes it or I'm removed forever.

Posted by DGM on November 9, 2008 at 4:41 p.m.

Mr Barton and Megawatt

Why don't you put your keyboard up for a while and sit back and see what is going to happen instead of predicting the future. You devisiveness is not helping anything. Your rehtoric is getting old and stale. I for one am looking forward to seeing what exciting things happens in our great country over the next four years. We might have made a mistake, just as we have for the last eight years, but we have to give it a chance. I feel sorry for you that you cannot open your eyes and work with the rest of us to make this country better. And saying that I am sure I will more bitter rhetoric from Megawatt. That seems to be the way of the ultra right wing.

Posted by DGM on November 9, 2008 at 4:49 p.m.

Mr Barton

I beg to differ, Election Day was a magnificent day for our country. It was democracy at it's finest! No matter who won, WE GOT TO VOTE for our leader. Sorry it didn't go the way you wanted, but the great thing about it is in four years we get to do it again, maybe it goes your way then. A sad day, I don't think so!

Posted by Shorebreak on November 9, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.

in response to vietnamvet

How ridiculous. The birth certificate 'non-issue' has been laid to rest over and over. The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
On November 1st, the Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. If you need further proof please go to:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-20...

Continuing to dwell on this birth certicate nonsense almost rises to the same inane assumptions made by the fringe righties during the Clinton Administration with the death of Vince Foster.

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 9, 2008 at 5:36 p.m.

in response to Shorebreak

breaker...

"Continuing to dwell on this birth certicate nonsense almost rises to the same inane assumptions made by the fringe righties during the Clinton Administration with the death of Vince Foster."

Thank you. It is this kind of mental bilge that continues to bubble up from the fetid swamp of alleged "thinking" from the right that makes me even more glad that Obama will take the oath on January 20.

Heaven knows I personally know conservatives with brains; they don't buy into this utter garbage.

Posted by barkeep on November 9, 2008 at 7:09 p.m.

ex_pat; There was more "there, there" on the Vince Foster case than Obama's birthplace, and I'm not going "grassy knoll" on either. Yes, I have problems with Obama's thin recored, but I also had problems with McCain's well established record. Se la vie as Emerson Lake and Palmer put it.

I'm old enough to recall when Mo Udall the senior ran and the question arose because his polygamist parents were in Mexico (supposedly) at the time of his birth.

All I can say here, some people have too much time on their hands. We ran, we lost, I for one will be part of the "loyal opposition" as to specific policy, but President Obama will be my President.

Posted by Shorebreak on November 9, 2008 at 7:13 p.m.

in response to megawatt

"...and I can almost guarantee you people ain't gonna like it!"

Ooooh, I guess I'm supposed to be in a state of fearful anticipation of your free speech postings for the next eight years. If you will excuse me, I will forego replying to them, since it's come down to just commenting for the sake of commenting on someone else's comment. Truly, not a productive endeavor.

Posted by Esjay on November 9, 2008 at 7:56 p.m.

in response to megawatt

You should not call a black man a "boy". And, you should not call the President of the USA a "boy"!!!

Posted by barkeep on November 9, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

in response to burr0001

An overriding concern of mine in troubled economic waters: Americans do not understand, despite what label one puts on it, corporations DO NOT PAY TAXES!

OK, you think oil compamies make obscene profits, that's an arguement for another day. As punishment, we tax the living daylights out of them. Does Mr. Exxon have to fire the downstairs maid?

Corporations do not pay taxes, they do the paperwork and accounting, and pass the cost on to the consumer. In case you missed it, that's me and thee.

Gov't can and does do the "dance of the seven veils" to misdirect us, but ultimately there is one, and only one source of gov't revenue: OAP I call it, Our A** Pocket.

To be honest, I have paid too little attention to retirement, I will probably work as long as I am physically able to. That is my problem: not Obama's, not the Ponzi scheme we call Social Security, and certainly not my neighbor's. I will live in a box under a bridge before I demand money from my neighbors' wallet. Or college fund. Or 401. or anything. If I take up theft for a living, I will do it honestly, use a gun and a mask like Willie Sutton. I won't ask my Congressman to do it for me under color of the law.

Posted by burr0001 on November 9, 2008 at 9:46 p.m.

in response to barkeep

I never said anything about the profits of the Oil company one way or the other. My question is, how does Obama expect the different industries to handle his tax plans. Corporations might not pay taxes per say. However, he plans on going after their capital gains as well as put penalties on companies who have moved jobs out of country. Although, I agree that we need to stem the tide of jobs going out of country, I don't see how he can penalize companies for these practices that were legal while they did it.

Another thing I wonder about is how his relationship with the Unions is going to affect Labor Laws. He has already said that he will force some jobs to become Union shops. I wonder if that means he will force all Federal employees that are not currently in unions to join. He has also said he will outlaw secret ballots during union votes.

Posted by vietnamvet on November 9, 2008 at 10:15 p.m.

in response to Shorebreak

Well then if all that you say is true why would Congressman Berg waste his time and the Supreme Courts time. It will remain to be seen won't it. And the copy in Hawaii was proved bogus, catch up!

Posted by vietnamvet on November 9, 2008 at 10:21 p.m.

Shore, I'd give you the link to the whole article but this news site removes it. It seems fair to say they don't want the truth put out by Ellis Washington in a Worldnetdaily article about the upcoming Constitutional Crisis. Mr. Ellis Washington is also black with no agenda except to save our Constitution.
I will give you this to see if it gets removed:

I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961. ~ Obama's paternal grandmother
Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution.
~ Philip Berg, petitioner – Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. (2008)

Posted by wrthog on November 10, 2008 at 3:37 a.m.

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Posted by Shaynebo on November 10, 2008 at 9:50 a.m.

in response to megawatt

No you get over it. You made a big stink saying I was a racist sometime last week. When nothing I said was even close to being racist. I said that people who are making the comment the "Death of America," because the common rich white politician was not eleceted is NOT the death of our Country. So boy, I'd like to see why it is that you set yourself upon a soap box.

Posted by housemouse on November 10, 2008 at 11:04 a.m.

in response to barkeep

Barkeep,

While it is true that corporations just raise their prices so that customers actually pay the taxes, if they raise them too far, sales decline, along with profits. I think it is unconscionable that huge corporations located in America pay no taxes. This should change.

IMO, those corporations that are farming out American jobs to foreign countries should be required to pay taxes when they import their cheap-labor goods back to sell to Americans. Some of that money could go into job training for the American workers they have abandoned. We need to be concerned for the welfare of all Americans, not with providing corporate welfare to these giant companies.

Posted by vietnamvet on November 10, 2008 at 3:56 p.m.

in response to san_angelo_ex_pat

The Hawaiian Birth Certificate was sealed by the govenor of Hawaii, who also is a Republican. The birth certificate circulating around the internet was proven to be a fake.

The Supreme Court will 1) throw it out and deny the process of adhering to the Constitution or 2) they will require that Obama bring forth his birth certificate for final proof, something he has refused to personally do.

Either way the Supreme Court finds itself in the position of upholding the Constitution or becoming a moot court by denying the right "of the people" to know without a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Obama is indeed eligible to be in office. See WND article 80435 or search Ellis Washington and his November article on Constitutional Crisis.
Snopes does nothing for me and neither should it you.

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 10, 2008 at 4:27 p.m.

in response to vietnamvet

vet...

There is no "Constitutional crisis" here. The "issue" regarding Obama's legitimacy is sheer twaddle promulgated by those who utterly refuse to accept the fact that the voters of this country chose him over McCain. The corrupt legacy levied on this country by the past years of neocon specious logic, misdeeds, incompetence, and just plain tomfoolery sank McCain... that and "his" choice of a VP candidate with absolutely no credentials other than a far-rightist outlook and inflexible religious dogmatism.

The "We lost; therefore he must be illegimate because we know we're right" song is replete with nothing but sour notes and flawed thinking.

I do not think you to be a stupid person; I think you to be completely blinded by a demonstrably failed political ideology.

Posted by vietnamvet on November 10, 2008 at 5:10 p.m.

in response to san_angelo_ex_pat

A point made by someone on the blog I frequent:

Let's leave aside the possibility/probability that Obama was born in Kenya despite some good evidence that this is so. Let's look at his double repudiation of US Citizenship. The first time was 1966 when he was 5 years old. It was done on his behalf by his step father, Lolo Soettoro, and a cooperating mother. How do we know this? From Obama's own book "Dreams from my Father." The second time was by Obama on his own behalf (in 1981, at age 20) when he traveled to Indonesia to rejuvenate his Indonesian citizenship. At the time this required an oath and a formal repudiation of any other citizenship, especially American.
He then obtained an Indonesian passport that listed his citizenship as Indonesian, and his religion as Islam. Using that passport he traveled to Pakistan at a ttime when American citizens were not allowed entry. And a time that the USA had prohibited its citizens to travel there. During those days neither the United States nor Indonesia allowed for dual Indonesian/American citizenship. How do we know this? Because Obama has even recently bragged about that trip suggesting it was evidence of his international expertise and background.
Having given up American citizenship (if he had it in the first place) could have been corrected upon return to the US (by his mother, till he reached the age of 18, and personally after that). This would have been accomplished by way of a request to Immigration, but would have resulted in the issuance of a Certificate of Citizenship, clearly identifying Obama as a NATURALIZED CITIZEN, not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. If such a document was ever issued it is pehaps understandable why he has not produced it. If such a document was not issued, Obama is an ILLEGAL ALIEN, not eligible to hold his current office of US Senator.
The facts of Obama's involvement with Indonesia is not some well kept secret, just something he prefers not to discuss.

Ex. We are trying to avoid a Constitutional crisis BEFORE he gets sworn in. When he is sworn in it becomes a Constitutional Crisis which everyone who cherishes the Constitution should be concerned.

Obama come forward and silence us if you are indeed legitimate.

Posted by AngeloGirl on November 10, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

in response to donnyg

You can thank your little friend Nancy Pelosi and her posse for that!

Posted by anndo on November 11, 2008 at 6:43 a.m.

First of all to Mr. Barton .... Amen! Thank you for an articulate and moving statement of the "silent majority".

It is truly a sad day .... in which the Hollywood "elite" have led the sheep to the slaughter.

We know that Obama owes big money folks LOTS of favors, so those supposed tax hikes on the rich are so NOT going to happen. Nope, just like his predecessors, he will happily raise taxes on the good working folk.

I for one am tired of paying the way for a lot of lazy people who choose for the government (that's us folks ... just read the constitution .... "We the people ...") to take care of them. There is no question that socialism is here .... the only question is ......Do we allow it to stay?

Posted by vietnamvet on November 11, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

Latest news points to Obama's staff meeting with Hamas and Syria and making deals behind the President's back. Sounds like treason to me, what do the democrats here think? See WND

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 11, 2008 at 4:27 p.m.

in response to vietnamvet

vet...

I appreciate your civility, since you and I very clearly disagree on this issue.

I maintain there is no, and will not be, a crisis here. Were there a true tempest brewing, some hotshot reporter with Pulitzer on his/her mind would have done meaningful research and concluded that something of import exists here. The "sources" alluding to shenanigans are at best questionable, and at worst disreptutable. Blogs have arguable value; their content is unvetted, and it is all too easy to find one stating "irrefutably" one thing and then find another that also states "irrefutably" the opposite.

"Obama come forward and silence us if you are indeed legitimate." He has. He will be our next president, and without the furor you predict. I do not pretend, nor have I ever pretended, that he will be perfect and solve all the problems facing our country. With that said, I still believe him to be the better of the two choices we were offered.

Once again, I say I appreciate your attitude. It would seem that you and I can disagree without throwing bricks at each other.

Peace.

Ex_pat

Posted by vietnamvet on November 12, 2008 at 11:12 a.m.

in response to san_angelo_ex_pat

Here's the brick Ex_Pat, lol.

We will know more around Dec. 10th when Mr. Berg goes before the Supreme Court. Update to follow...

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 12, 2008 at 3:46 p.m.

in response to vietnamvet

vet...

Hey, at least you handed me the brick instead of throwing it. Big difference.

Regarding December 10, as you indicated, we shall see.

Peace.

Ex_Pat

Posted by amanda on November 12, 2008 at 5:59 p.m.

in response to anndo

"in which the Hollywood "elite" have led the sheep to the slaughter."

Thank you ever SO much for that generalization. Can we please knock it off?

(And I say this as a native San Angeloan who is currently working in Hollywood.)

The curse of being a middle-of-the-roader is that both sides make me want to stab a fork in my eye.

Posted by wespenn56 on November 12, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

in response to amanda

Very well put. Extremists on either side make life in general difficult

Posted by travenberrie on November 13, 2008 at 2 a.m.

One thing *most* of you might not have heard so far, on Nov. 7th a SUPREME COURT JUDGE ordered Obama to produce his birth certificate. That's right. President-elect Hussein Obama has not been elected by the ELECTORAL college. Despite the fact he is NOT an American citizen by any means. He has an aunt living in the United States that has been ORDERED by the DHS to leave the country. It just seems really fishy when the Governor of Hawaii SEALS the birth certificate of a Presidential candidate. If he has nothing to hide, if he is LEGAL, why seal the birth certificate, and why have a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE order him to produce it? All I know is I didn't vote for the PRESUMED President Hussein Obama.

Posted by wrthog on November 13, 2008 at 2:28 a.m.

i bet he will not miss your vote.

Posted by thubbartt on November 13, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.

Just a reminder for those who have given up? Short Story> A blind man was walking down the street for the past 20 years, and one day he came upon a new road. His experience for the last 20 years has changed, a road; a new road he replied to himself; no one warned me of a new road as he thought to himself. He has been walking this path for 20 years and not a change along this path until today. He was stumped!! He begin to kreep out slowly and feel his way through this new path. The problem was that it was not a new path but a side walk that was built 2ft from his normal path and then it led to the road to his normal path. He remained stumped, so, he turned around for the first time in 20 years of walking his path. He came back home and told his care taker of 20 years that he had to turn around for the first time in 20 years and go back home. His care taker looked at him with a smile and gave him a hugg. She responded and said go back and take that path and count your steps, don't let change steer you from your life long path that you have always enjoyed but take it in your heart and count your steps until you arrive at your normal path. This is a world of change and sometimes there might be addition to our path or a mountain we have not seen. Just take it by the neck and follow it, you might be surprised after 20 years what is really down the path that you loved so well for the past 20 years. The man begin to walk his path, once again he came upon his new path, counted his steps and found a new smell, it was beautiful,just refreshing as a fresh vase of flowers, the neighbor who every morning looks upon him traveling down that path stopped him and asked him if he enjoyed the smell and he replied yes it is wonderful what did they do"he asked" She said they build a small sidewalk in circled with new and fresh flowers just for you. We have watched you for 20 years walking down that path so we decided to build a fresh garden of flowers for you to smell on your daily journey so it will remain with you when you return home how beautiful our neighbor hood really is. So, change is harsh in many ways,forms,and readings, I say sometime we have to stop in life and smell the freshness of what we have forgotten from the past to where we are today. Be blessed for we only live once and we leave behind a life of memories.

TM

Posted by BeReasonable on November 13, 2008 at 12:51 p.m.

in response to travenberrie

Thank goodness Obama picked a qualified Vice President in case he is not able to serve.

That would mean President Biden and Vice President Pelosi. Maybe you and the others should be careful what you wish for!

Posted by BeReasonable on November 13, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.

in response to megawatt

I would be happy to oblige you mega, but assisted suicide isn't legal so I guess you will have to do it yourself. However, assuming you are married and knowing your misogynistic feelings, maybe your wife would be happy to help you.

Don’t worry though; this is not a valid issue.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawa...

Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 13, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

in response to travenberrie

dingleberrie...

He's going to be the next President. Period.

Posted by paul0120 on November 13, 2008 at 9:28 p.m.

in response to Esjay

i get so tired of all of this political correctness, why cant i call a black man a "boy" but a black man can call someone a "n"? a black man can call a white man a "cracker", a black man can call a native american a "chief"? since when did black americans get the privilege of not being called anything other than "black". i am hispanic, i dont care if someone calls me a "mexican", a "beaner",etc...i am not racist, but when i hear rap music calling blacks the n word and black women "b..tches" thats when i find name calling appalling.

Posted by Purplesage on November 13, 2008 at 10:02 p.m.

in response to paul0120

It's not a matter of "political correctness". It's a matter of common courtesy and respect. And just because some entertainers or other people use demeaning terms toward people of different races, other ethnic groups, or even those of their own race, doesn't mean it's acceptable behavior. By the way, notable black entertainers, such as Bill Cosby, have criticized the use of such derogatory terms by rap artists on a frequent basis in speeches and columns.

Posted by baidala on November 13, 2008 at 10:26 p.m.

somebody help! Purple and Paul have lost the topic.............

Posted by Purplesage on November 13, 2008 at 10:47 p.m.

in response to baidala

I just couldn't let that one go by. Sorry there baidala.

Posted by paul0120 on November 14, 2008 at 8:32 a.m.

in response to Purplesage

i am not agreeing with it being okay to call people a racist name, i was saying i am just tired of hearing people say "dont say this or that" specifically about black americans. it seems no one else gets that sort of verbal protection.

Posted by intheshadows on November 14, 2008 at 7:44 p.m.

Those of you complaining about the great changes yet to come have to realize that your views are now the minority beliefs throughout our country.

After watching our constitution be picked apart and muddied by the current administration I can't imagine why the true conservatives have stood for the congressional abuse of power.

Banks failing, great American industries on the verge of bankruptcy.

The willingness to vote for a candidate whose most important choice, to pick the person who should be ready to take over at less than a day's notice became a joke in our country and throughout the world, and yet you voted for the party knowing that if she was called upon to take over she would have failed. Who would you then blame?

I see you as being narrow minded and I am really worried about how you and your radical media will attempt to bring down the new administration. I hope that you make better choices with your business decisions than you made in backing a candidate.

P.S. Rush, Laura, Hannity, Beck - none are liberal, and all spew venom when they realize they have backed the wrong dog in the fight.

I want the best for our country, and I try to believe that all of us in west Texas do.

God Bless Obama, God Bless the United States, and God Bless Texas.

Posted by BETTYBICHON on November 16, 2008 at 11:20 a.m.

I FOR ONE, DO NOT WANT TO SHARE MY WEALTH WITH ALL OF YOU FREE LOADERS
WE HAVE WORKED ALL OUR LIVES FOR WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT RIGHT DO PEOPLE THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO JUST TAKE IT. GET OFF OF YOUR BUTTS AND WORK FOR YOUR OWN.



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