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American gun owners have good reason to doubt the sincerity of liberal Democrats now in control of Congress and soon to control the Oval Office, who claim to support firearm civil rights.
Far too many red flags are being waved for gun owners to take a benign posture just six months after a landmark Supreme Court ruling confirmed what they had known all along; that the Second Amendment affirms and protects a fundamental individual civil right to keep and bear arms.
President-elect Barack Obama is on record supporting gun registration, permanent renewal of the ban on so-called "assault weapons," slapping an exorbitant increase on the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition and banning handguns outright. His buffoonish vice president-elect, Delaware's Joe Biden, is a veteran gun control advocate who wrote the original "assault weapons" legislation.
Recently, it was revealed that prospective Obama administration employees were being asked this invasive question: "Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."
Aside from demonstrating a serious ignorance of gun laws - only five states require some level of gun registration, and only in New York City and in New York's Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties is there a renewal requirement - this question suggests that gun owners, or kin of gun owners, will face anti-gun discrimination in their job search. Call it guilt by association, either with firearms or with a relative who owns one.
If this is the kind of "change" we can expect under the Obama administration, gun owners have reason to worry. The more that Democrats "change" the more they stay the same. American citizens flocked to gun shops after the election. Many of those people, ironically, were first-time gun buyers or gun owners who voted for the Chicago Democrat. Obama reinforced gun owner apprehension by appointing Rahm Emanuel - point man for the Clinton administration on gun control issues - as his chief of staff. Eric Holder, his expected nominee for Attorney General, signed an amicus brief in support of the Washington, D.C. gun ban, while arguing that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms, positions soundly rejected by the Supreme Court.
Both houses of Congress are controlled by Obama's Democratic Party and leadership positions are occupied by devoted anti-gunners. As we detailed in our recent book, "These Dogs Don't Hunt: The Democrats' War on Guns," the party excels in pro-Second Amendment rhetoric, but labors to reduce that right to a highly-regulated privilege.
This brings us around to Mayor Greg Nickels of Seattle. He has promised to ban even legally-carried guns from city (make that public) property, by executive order. Nearly 250,000 Washington State residents are licensed to carry concealed handguns, and it is also legal in the Evergreen State to carry handguns openly, without a license.
Nickels was advised by the state attorney general that he lacks the authority under Washington's model pre-emption law to enact a gun ban, but he has vowed to do it anyway.
Gun owners see this as imperial arrogance, and suspect that if Nickels can ignore his own state's pre-emption statute, then Congress and a Democratic president might just presume to ignore the Constitution.
Alan Gottlieb is founder of the Second Amendment Foundation and Dave Workman is senior editor of Gun Week.
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Posted by tolemo on November 21, 2008 at 6:12 p.m.
The good thing is that this may cause gun owners to be especially vigilant to jealously guard their ability to continue to own a gun.
The election didn't give the winners the mandate or the power to change our basic values.
Posted by jb on November 22, 2008 at 11:10 a.m.
Until something is proposed - this is hot air. If and when something starts to be placed into the vision or budget or law - then you have a right to gripe - this info above is nothing more than speculation... FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT... my question is what are you trying to sell me again?
I have more things to do with my time than speculate on what the next president is going to do.... like go shoot my gun & hunt.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 11:51 a.m.
in response to jb
jb... indeed.
Next week I intend to put between 200 and 300 rounds through a variety of pistols. I will then tear them down, clean, oil, and reassemble them. My agenda does not include hiding them from some faceless fictional firearms confiscators.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 12:38 p.m.
in response to megawatt
No, wattles, it's that we chose not to acknowledge tripe-burdened illogic.
Posted by BeReasonable on November 22, 2008 at 1:02 p.m.
in response to san_angelo_ex_pat
It is just the same old divisive stuff. Scare everyone and harness their worst fears to control their vote, the main tactic of the ultra-conservatives. I just heard the first of another issue of fear they start each year, the “War on Christmas”. How absurd.
It appears that the voters have expressed their disgust for the Republican tactics and way of business which is to "defeat liberals” by any means instead of working with them for the common good. The electorate has spoken with an unmistakable voice. The American people are ready to embrace hope instead of fear, unity instead of division.
Posted by BeReasonable on November 22, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
in response to megawatt
The last sentence of your reply reveals the problem when it comes to working with people of your persuasion. You hold that those with opposing opinions are the “enemy”, and as you have said in the past, are to be defeated at all cost. That approach leaves no room for solution resolving agreements to work through the serious problems facing our nation.
I find the attitude to be very un-American.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.
in response to BeReasonable
reasonable...
Indeed. It seems the rightists feel it's now time to drag out another flavor of paranoia and delusion to keep folks all nervous and twitchy. I guess they love their psychoses so much they just want to share them with others... kinda like during the campaign.
Didn't seem to work then, did it?
Posted by BeReasonable on November 22, 2008 at 3:06 p.m.
in response to megawatt
Ok mega, it is a deal. I will lighten up if you will too. Maybe you could stop tearing down and criticizing everything President-elect Obama does or has done and offer reserved support at least. He won the election, so get out of election campaign mode and look forward.
I know what your justification in attacking Obama is, but Bush earned his 28% approval rating. At one time it was as high as 90%.
Let President-elect Obama do his job. Then, disagree and offer up alternatives to his actions if you feel he is on the wrong path. I will do the same.
Posted by BeReasonable on November 22, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.
in response to megawatt
No sir you have not. You research the gun question you pose and present us with credible facts regarding why the question was asked and its intended effect. I am sure it is not as sinister as you would imply.
No more throwing out poop without the facts please. Very divisive as I said.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 4:50 p.m.
in response to megawatt
watts...
All kidding aside, I don't think gun owners (like myself) have much to fear because of a single question on a questionnaire that is several pages long. The vetting process has, with recent administrations, been a mite lax and has caused incoming administrations a bit of embarrassment. I just think the Obama folks are trying to find out as much about people as can reasonably be expected.
The question is: "Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun?" asks Question 59. "If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."
Let's get real: Guns are weapons. The vast majority are used responsibly. At times, though, they are deliberately used to create mayhem.
You know that I am not a Bush fan. With that said, I did not fear his administration's getting into my personal business through wiretaps and other intrusions, as apparently did some of those on the nutzoid far left. I don't fear Obama's administration's interfering with my gun ownership either. I have no problem with the question as asked.
Obama has made reference to "reasonable gun ownership". I believe in that as well. As I have stated here before, I have problems with the ownership of certain types of weapons that have no purpose other than killing significant numbers of people in a short period of time or the delivery of mayhem far in excess of that a reasonable person might expect.
Here in the 'Plex we recently had an incident in which a woman at Texas Motor Speedway was hit with a stray .50 caliber round fired from a hellacious distance. I struggle to come up with a reason why Joe Schmuck should own such a thing. A .50 cal can kill a car... and that is no exaggeration.
Again, you and I disagree. I buy into your statement elsewhere, though, in that disagreement is not a bad thing. It helps keep the other side honest, it helps us reassess our own standpoints and perhaps tweak them a mite, and (!) it alleviates boredom. May God save us from a world in which all people believe as do you... or as do I.
Peace.
Ex_pat
Posted by BeReasonable on November 22, 2008 at 6:09 p.m.
Mega, you speak the truth when you say, "My remarks are what they are, sir."
But why are your remarks always so negative, divisive and based primarily on speculation, suspicion and innuendo?
Kinda like the scorpion I guess, it is just your nature.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
in response to megawatt
Fine and dandy, watt.
little bush and his klatch of klowns NEVER earned my trust.
Posted by san_angelo_ex_pat on November 22, 2008 at 6:28 p.m.
in response to BeReasonable
reasonable...
Indeed. It does appear to be his nature.
I'm glad I am not he.
Posted by jb on November 22, 2008 at 7:02 p.m.
I'm under the feeling that the times of simple fear statements from either side (not going to point fingers) that don't have merit or fact to give validity to the equation, these groups / individuals should be shunned from both sides. Maybe if we pushed the whole political process to be fair / factual and just for all - as well as pushing out all of the "salesmen" politicians / talk show hosts / media - we might actually get a government that is focused on fiduciary - not just driving bad policies and decisions....
BTW - being fair to all does not mean welfare - it means the ability for each and everyone of us to have a fair chance to have a life, independent liberty of choice and the pursuit of Justice when you are wronged to fair laws and policies from another... And to make a fair living from hard work and effort.
Posted by jb on November 22, 2008 at 9:03 p.m.
What is the horror in my statement, this is more ideological than any hurt to the practice? If you don't purchase the national enquirer - eventually it will close the doors, same as any other media outlet or politician, or talk show host... simple theory of just walking away, pay zero attention to it, focus on the information you can wrap facts around...
Could make it a harder road for many on both sides of the political spectrum..
Posted by Shorebreak on November 22, 2008 at 10:39 p.m.
Senator Obama Feb 11, 2008:
"I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions."
Posted by jb on November 22, 2008 at 11:24 p.m.
in response to megawatt
Mega - it is a very simple thing - you vote (equal to a purchase) for the politicians that adhere to a focused plan, not a divisive FUD factor, you put a boycott (per say) on the media / talk show hosts / politicians that don't do what is needed or desirable....
It is very similar to the market strategy - you only buy what is in your eyes something worth spending your money on... you are a capitalist - aren't you?
Posted by SunUp2 on November 23, 2008 at 1:57 a.m.
in response to BeReasonable
Unity BeReasonable? What a joke!
Posted by cuate on November 23, 2008 at 8:51 a.m.
Hang in there Megawatt, in the words of a great President, "Walk Silently and carry a big stick" (Teddy Roosevelt). I suggest rather than a stick, an AR15.....
Posted by wrthog on November 24, 2008 at 2:39 a.m.
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Posted by Bama on November 24, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.
I am unable to understand why some gun owners and hunters voted for Obama. Did they not read all of the informatnion presented by gun organizations such as the NRA? Did they not believe them, rather chose to believe the lies Obama told? Did they not research Obama's voting record in Illinois and the US Senate? There are no credible excuses - none! They were duped by Obama, plane ans simple. Now look at who he has chosen for Attorney General and Secretary of Sate - staunch anti-gunners. Perhaps these gun owners only believed Obama's cliche "change we can believe in" and were so disgruntled at the economy that they forgot about their Second Amendment rights? Well, now you will pay more taxes, be less secure, lose jobs, receive substandard health care (socialized medicine) and very likely have to give up your some of your gun rights. I cannot be sympathetic if you have to surrender your handguns; I don't want to hear one complaint from the gun owners who supported Obama - not one! The trouble is gun restrictions affect all of us gun owners. We now have a socialist president-elect.
Posted by m14308 on November 24, 2008 at 3:25 p.m.
in response to jb
It is very clear to me you know nothing of the voting records of the people now in power, or you would NEVER make such a comment. It is also clear you are one of the many that voted on your wallet instead of our Freedoms.
Posted by praisequeen on November 26, 2008 at 7:40 p.m.
And for the bama: I take it that you also ride the short bus. Did you read what was really said by Presiden/Elect Obama concerning this crap? He wants the unlawful gun owners that are here to bring harm to others, to not be able to posess handguns. And I take it the reason you have reacted so strongly is that you must be a partaker....
Posted by Annakha on November 27, 2008 at 1:01 p.m.
in response to praisequeen
For all of you,
This post represents the whole of the stupid problem. Gun LAWS don't do anything to remove ILLEGAL guns from UNLAWFUL persons. I don't understand how anyone fails to understand this point. If you are trying to target a group of lawbreakers why would you expect a law to have any effect? They're already breaking the law!! Unless somehow you expect gangsters and criminals to suddenly be disarmed just because there is a law preventing them from somehow owning a weapon? These people aren't going to their local gun store to purchase firearms in the first place. The Laws have no effect on crime at all. I'll finish up with my favorite anti-gun law news story of the year. A man shot in the UK for wearing an Obama T-shirt...firearms have been completely banned there for years so explain to me how the most oppressive anti-gun laws possible allow for a man to be shot in the streets of England??? Gun Laws Don't Work. End of story.
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